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what's called the hastert rule. what's the hastert rule? the hastert rule is probably the most significant contributor to dysfunction in washington right now. it's not even really a rule. it's a policy, a political policy of republican speakers that began under former republican speaker hastert. hence its common name as the hastert rule. and the rule is that the speaker will bring no bill to the floor of the house of representatives without a majority of his own party supporting the bill. it doesn't matter about a majority of congress. democrat votes don't count. it's only when the speaker has a majority of republican votes supporting it that the speaker will allow legislation to come to the floor. it's actually gotten a little bit harder under speaker boehner who has said -- and i quote -- "i don't feel comfortable scheduling any controversial legislation unless i know we have the votes on our side first." which sounds like he's saying he has to be able to produce a majority of the house out of just the republican caucus before bringing a bill. but whether it's the original ha
of representatives on the republican side has been operating under something they call the hastert rule. that is named after former speaker denny hastert, and under the hastert rule, to bring a bill to the floor, the speaker needs to believe that he will get what's called a majority -- >> of the majority. >> -- of the majority. now, the fiscal cliff deal, they didn't have a majority of the majority. the hastert rule got shredded. >> what about the norquist commitment? that got shredded pretty -- >> there's a loophole on that. joosk. >> of course. >> midnight dispensation. >> that was what norquist tweeted. on this rule, what we have now is a precedent for boehner using a much smaller group of more reasonable republicans to vote with the democrats. that's what happened on the fiscal cliff. so as long as he can not go through the folly of trying to get back to the hastert rule and just work with the democrats, they might be able to actually get some things done. and the reason he might do it, the reason he might do it is what he was worried about is if he had lost today, he would have bee
. >> and let's dig in a little bit more to speaker boehner. former speak eer hastert, the mt pass with the majority of the majority role was talking about the fact they had to pass the fiscal cliff deem without a majority of the majority and he said, hastert said maybe you can do it once, maybe you can do it twice but when you start cutting deals where you have to get democrats to pass the legislation, you're not in power anymore. so what are the ramifications for speaker boehner the way the fiscal cliff did pass? >> one of the responsibilities people aren't focusing on, he has to make sure, try to make sure that his party's brand is sufficient that they get re-elected as the majority party in 2014. and had they caused us to go over the fiscal cliff, let's assume they had rejected the senate deal, republicans as a bloc voted against it their brand would have been in serious trouble. let's assume we get reasonable gun control lemon slalgs on high-capacity magazines and on assault rifles, comes before the congress. and they reject it as a group. their brand is in serious trouble. so
in place. >> is john boehner sticking to the old rule, the denny hastert rule, that you need a majority to bring it up for a vote. if the majority is not there of the republicans who are the majority in the house, he is not going to bring it up for a vote, or are they discarding that give this current crisis? >> he's never been officially wedded to that majority of the majority idea. that has certainly been his goal in most if not all of the legislation that he's brought to the floor. this and a few others have tested that goal for sure, but look, this is something that republican speakers, hastert included, starting with hastert, have wanted to do to make sure they have the support with within, to make sure that there isn't any kind of revolt, there isn't a question of their leadership. even though it has not been an easy road for john boehner, and that has been an understatement, i have not detected any real sentiment in the rank and file to have anybody but john boehner as their leader. to be honest with you, based on what boehner has gone through, it is hard to see anyone wanting th
, the hastert rule and we heard a lot about the hastert rule and i don't want to get down into the weeds here. >> bret: we he talked about it the majority of the majority that the speaker wouldn't bring forward a piece of legislation if the majority of his own caucus didn't have the votes for it. if he had to pass something using more democrats than republicans he wouldn't bring forward the bill. >> you are kind to let me go weed whacking but the truth is boehner is a different kind of speaker than we experienced in the past in that whatever the rule is about who gets to vote which way or what comes on the floor boehner is a different kind of speaker and he doesn't whip. he doesn't force people to vote one way or the other. he says you will vote, however, you want to do. this is a guy that we saw have a stand ovation inside his own caucus the day before yesterday and the way he does it and the way that everything that he does is this, you do what you want to do. and if this is going to pass, i suspect if it is not a majority of democratic votes it will be a strong plurality of democratic vote
in violation of the so-called hastert rule which requires a majority of the majority to support a bill before the speaker will bring it. it is an informal rule, not a legislative rule but it has guided legislative process for many years. yet he was re-elected speaker despite that. do you think that encourages him to act this way or we'll let you get away with it this once but never again? >> i think boehner was skillful in the fact he said we'll have an amendment to the senate bill that will -- i forget exactly what he was going to do but radically right wing amendment. if you can get 218 votes we'll put that on the floor and we won't have an agreement. they permitted him in effect, to bring to the floor what he did only when they couldn't get 218 votes from more radically right-wing solution. he showed in effect they couldn't get the votes in their own caucus for that. >> eliot: the real battle that we've been watching play out over the last two hidden hand behind much of what's going on these days? >> i don't think h
. >> bret: former spea speaker dennis hastert has a rule named for him. majority of the majority, bringing forward a bill. don't bring forward a bill unless the majority of your own caucus supports that piece of legislation. talked about that going forward on brian kilmeade radio show this morning. >> the problem, maybe you do it once or maybe you do it twice but when you start making deals to get the democrats to pass the legislation, you are in power anymore. if you pass stuff that members aren't in line with, the ability to lead is in jeopard jeopardy. somebody else is making a decision. all tax bills and all spending bills, under the constitution start in the house. if you give up that responsibility you give up the ability to cover it. that's the problem. >> hastert is right. explains what happened to republicans in the battle we just had. once the caucus was split. once they went to plan "b," boehner's attempt to get around the negotiations with obama, to find one position that the caucus could agree on, increase the taxes only on people over $1 million. once he was unable to get the
was a violation of the so-called hastert rule named after former republican house speaker dennis hastert who says that a bill should never be brought to the floor unless a majority of the majority can support it. the apparent disunity within the republican caucus offered house democrats the faint hope they might have a bigger role to play in the new congress than as the house minority over the past two years. the house democrats' new role in fact may prove crucial in the next major legislative battle over gun control. on wednesday the president proposed a package of gun law reforms in response to the massacre in newtown last month. the package is by all accounts the most sweeping attempt to curb gun violence at the national level since 1994. the president took a number of executive actions immediately but the most contentious members including a proposed limit on ammunition magazines, stronger background checks and reinstatement of assault weapons ban will be left for congress to decide. >> these are some of executive actions i am announcing today. as important as these steps are they are in no w
the hastert rule into the toilet and flushed. >> yeah, that was the thing dennis hastert gave the speech and i forget what year, early when he was speaker of the house and if you don't remember dennis hastert, think about your very heavy uncle who breathes heavy and wears squinty glasses. >> breathes through his mouth. >> hitting the gavel. [heavy breathing] he had this rule that he started that said he would not allow any bill to be voted on unless it had a majority of the majority in favor of it. so that meant there couldn't be coalitions of say moderate republicans and democrats that could get a bill through. it had to -- it had to appease the nuts on some level. and so this broke that. the fiscal cliff deal because it only had 85 i think republicans voted for it. and that was nowhere near a majority of the majority. >> bribed by meat products. >> stephanie: like sausage. republican intransigents had to be kicked down the stairs of the capitol because obama knows he's dealing with idea logs. you go to the point you say he and nancy pelosi had to put together a governing coalition of democra
. the poor guy, he has this majority of the majority tradition that's been around since hastert, and he knows if he doesn't pass bills with the majority of the republican majority and he does it with democratic votes, which would be the governing thing to do, then his speakership is at risk. >> but he just broke the hastert rule on the fiscal cliff. >> well, yes, because finally for once he just decided, hey, you guys, fine, i don't care what are you going to do, this is for the good of the nation. the other thing is you have knees districts that are listening to their constituents in the far right, and then have you the more moderate folks who have to worry about getting a challenge from their right flank, which, you know, also tends to chill the atmosphere. >> right. as we're watching continuing the 113th congress they're doing their roll-call votes on the speaker of the house, and that is the big question. you have members who are worried about a tea party challenge from the right. >> sure. >> when you come to these ideas of brinksmanship that's to be so bad for the gop brand, it is bad fo
of the obama role. there was the breaking of the hastert rule. you say, and i will read to you your own words -- >> i love this part. >> this is the best sort of awkward, and also semi-embarrassing and charming part of the show. democrats have jokingly referred to what they call the obama rule enshrining the president's practice of not forcing legislative action on anything no matter how noble that can't pass both houses. he now appears willing to burn political capital by pressuring senate democrats to vote for a measure that is likely to die in the house. a symbolic gesture that sets the stage he hopes for more meaningful ones. i read that, and i thought am i depressed? you seem to suggest that there is failure built into these proposals, and that this is a -- >> this is something that the left has -- remember during the health care debate. obviously we talked about the public option. there has been a sense at various points that he backed off the tough fights because he knew he wasn't going to be able to turn a quick deal. the hallmark of his first term was racking up victories accelerated
's a bipartisan bill out of the senate that boehner would put it on the floor, perhaps violate the hastert rule and go forward with what i like to call the tom cole caucus and the last pseudomoderates republicans left, about 60 of them left. pair them with democrats, there's a way forward. another group to mention that is very receptive to immigration reform within the house republican conference and republican party is a lot of very rich corporate republicans because guess what. i have seen folks come here on capitol hill of texas, arizona, california, rich business men who want those migrant workers because they need them in order to continue making their millions. that would be a strong push. chamber of commerce, they push on there. there will be a way forward from this in the house if there's a bipartisan bill in the senate and my guess is that boehner would allow those members to vote against it vote against it and try to rummage up the votes to move forward. you most likely get a significant amount of democrats and very good point. and unless there's this end all be all enforcement mechan
of the hastert.nis a democratic veteran who worked with ted kennedy and harry reed will be joining us in our sunday roundtable in five or six minutes. what are the solutions to gun violence? other headlines colum"columbus dispatch" the fiscal cliff emocratic some the nation's deficit or avert a new showdown over federal spending as we have breached the $16.4 trillion debt limit so the next debate in washington is raising the debt limit from the gazette in eastern iowa hopes for tax reform officials agree on the need but difficult on the methods. a look at tax reform in iowa and impact here in the country. from the "philadelphia inquirer" a season of uncertainty. landlords fear sandy will hurt the summer season and g.o.p. looking to retool its brands. finally, from "the charlotte observer," after a 20-year drought for the republicans taking back control of the state house, swearing in that took place yesterday for the governoa mccare mccrory. caller: this call so i realize how nervous people can get. host: no need. give us your thoughts. caller: how many hours did you spokes spend on the call
and go in that direction. >> bret: what about the dennis hastert rule? so-called majority. if speaker boehner gets to the point he does not have a majority of the caucus voting for the senate bill, that he would have to pass it with democrats' votes not majority of his own caucus, that he will move forward? >> that is an excellent question. you bring up a rule that goes back a few years. but in essence, that is what speaker boehner said. he will take the conference now. either go in one or two directions. one tyrannosaurus rex he may decide to go in, depending on how the vote goes is do -- one direction he may decide to go in, depending on how the vote goes, give democrats for majority vote to pass legislation. good point. >> bret: scott garrett from new jersey. vice chairman of the house committee. we appreciate the time. >> pleasure to be with you. >> bret: we'll follow every development by the hour. >> thank you. >> bret: we're continuing to follow all of it as you look at the house floor. getting ready for votes. eventually they will see if the votes include the senate bill. wheth
boehner said is that he always wanted to maintain the denny hastert rule which is not to bring forth a vote unless they have a majority. in other words, that he wouldn't bring that piece of legislation to the floor. he likely is going face a scenario here unless he has whipped a lot of republican lawmakers into voting for this bill that he may have more democratic votes for this senate bill than republican votes. >> you are spot on there, bret. that is something we will be watching. you will be watching. we know that they were outwhipping hard on this earlier this evening. they gave them two options essentially saying do we have 218 votes to go forward on one amendment that would cut spending or where are you on this deal. the senate passed deal that was negotiated between the senate the republican leader and the vice president of the united states. and so clearly they have counted heads. they know where people stand. and we will see. obviously whether kevin mccarthy the house republican whip was able to get enough republicans to say at end of the day it is important that we not go o
the hastert rule, we need a majority of the majority to bring something forward. he would need to do something with guns, and without moderate republicans calling on the speaker to bring something to the floor, it's going to be very difficult for the speaker in leadership to have the political cover that they need. so if the president needs to target somebody, it's these moderate republicans and get the people in their districts riled up. >> karen, do you agree with that assessme assessment? >> i think there is a dangerous for the republican party here in the same way we have seen in a number of these other debate where is the fringe, the far right gets so ridiculous. saying that the president is using children as human shields, likening him to hitler and stallen, and some of that language, 1776, talking about if blacks had guns we would haven't had slavery. that is so craze yesterday and so frightening to so many people given how crazy it is. that will pull the republican party too far to the right if they're not careful. and moderate republicans, particularly if their constituents are saying
political panel, former communication director for former speaker dennis hastert and a former spokesman for the democratic congressional campaign committee and, a democratic strategist. thanks for coming in. appreciate it. here was the slogan, i read at the top, renew, grow and win. what is not included in that is change. and, you are hearing a lot of republicans say we don't need to change our message, or change our values, we need to change the way we deliver our message. what do you think? >> well, i think that first of all, i need to commend r.n.c.'s chairman for holding the meeting in charlotte and unveiled the slogan and unveiled what we need to do which is focus on rebranding our party. growing our party and now, yes, the polls, that is where we are. the president won re-election and now we need to move forward and we need to unveil a republican agenda that appeals not just to our base, but, to everyone. to women, minorities, swing voters we lost in the 2012 elections and then we need to, you know, have the presidential candidate eventually that does not just appeal to the wealth
proceeds, does he violate the so-called hastert rule again? by the way, as for what the president does tomorrow, don't expect specific legislation. there was some talk that they might do that. i'm told that the congressional hispanic caucus suggested to the white house that that was not necessary, that they would like to see the senate see how this group of eight works before the white house gets in with details on their own legislation. we'll see what happens tomorrow. moving on, it was a case where the picture meant a lot more than the words themselves. sunday on "60 minutes eye," two former rivals sat down for an interview which would have been improbable eight years ago and talked about their relationship today. >> i consider hillary a close friend. >> very warm, close. i think there's a sense of understanding that sometimes doesn't even take words. >> friendships involve a sense of trust and being in the foxhole together and that emerged during the course of months when we were making some very tough decisions. >> the interview was indeed the president's idea. he believed secretar
. there's the hastert rule, right? which boehner shunned two times now. you have to get the majority of the coalition to go along with the bill or somehow eroding away the power base. twice now boehner with sandy and then the fiscal cliff deal has had -- depended on a majority of democrats and reasonable edge of the opposition, reasonable amount of republicans to go along with it. can this sustain itself? that is barack obama's best hope of a legacy piece in the second term. >> everybody stand by because we have some important news coming up. >> let me guess, band related. >> band related. not only the marching band, we have rock n roll. we have solid rock n roll. also, listening to grambling, we have alino cho. who's the designer of the first lady's gown? stand by. ♪ [ male announcer ] how do you make 70,000 trades a second... ♪ reach one customer at a time? ♪ or help doctors turn billions of bytes of shared information... ♪ into a fifth anniversary of remission? ♪ whatever your business challenge, dell has the technology and services to help you solve it. ♪ ♪ ♪ [ ma
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that the house republicans have adhered to for a couple of years called the hastert rule where you would only bring a majority of majority bill to the floor. in other words the majority of the majority party has to be for something. it's named after former house speaker john boehner. if he can't get everybody on his side on board, that might be the only option that house speaker john boehner has. and the reason is because we're right up against the deadline. i mean, this congress ends at noon on thursday. you can't take a bill that has started of in the old congress over into the new congress. it works that way just constitutionally. it's automatic. they are limited in terms it of time, the sands are dripping through the hourglass here. we are down to the very last few of began all-s. before they go down to the. >> though expect the house rules committee to meet later tonight. that's a good sign they are trying to move a bill. whether they move plan number one amending the senate bill or number two whether they just take what the senate sent them. the rules committee sets the parameters for t
and violated the so-called hastert rule. coming up, the gop's plan to destroy, eliminate, get rid of the post office is right on target. i'm asking congressman gerry connolly if there is any way to save it. >>> and secretary solis is leaving the administration. she'll talk about the impact of immigration reform on our economy. share your thoughts with us on facebook and on twitter using the hash tag edshow. we're coming right back. >>> it is a sad, sad day. but it's also your day, noah, my little man. i will miss your forceful and purposeful little steps stomping through our house. i will miss your perpetual smile, the twinkle in your dark blue eyes framed by eyelashes that would be the envy of any lady in this room. most of all, i will miss your visions of your future. >> welcome back to "the ed show." that was veronique pozner, giving the eulogy at the funeral of her son noah. noah pozner was one of 20 children killed at sandy hook last month. he was just 6 years old. veronique and her family, as well as other newtown families are fighting for reform in house of representatives of stopping
his own rule, the boehner rule, model on the hastert rule. said the speaker would not bring any bill to the floor for a vote that does not have the support of a majority of his conference, a majority of the majority, it's known as. but last night, just about 20% of the republican conference voted for the bill. the vote split the leadership, majority leader eric cantor, majority whip mccarthy voted for the bill. boehner first broke his rule on new year's day when he allowed a vote to avert the fiscal cliff on taxes. apparently there's an addendum to the boehner rule. the majority of the majority, unless the country is on the verge of a tax crisis, or chris christie has access the to a megaphone. christie made sure this week that republicans knew he would use it. >> and i'll say again, new jersey does not expect anything more than what was done for louisiana and alabama and mississippi and if they want to make new rules about disasters, they picked the wrong state to make the new rules with. >> and yesterday, new york congressman peter king, who berated boehner when he failed to bring
the fiscal cliff he got bipartisanship first in the senate, breaking the hastert rule in the house. boehner had a minority of the majority and that passed in the house as well, so i think the republican party is obviously doing some soul searching now. the philosophy of obstructionism got them to where they are now which is losing in 2012, which is a very low rating. i think among most folks out there seeing this as a party that likes to say no too much, not as the party of ideas which was the whole reagan idea of what the republican party should stand for. you'll have republicans more soul searching. retreats will happen in the coming days, but i think obama is going to call for, when he has this inaugural address, is going to call for a new era of responsibility, and i think republicans will have to decide what that looks like for their party. >> matt, this new era, this rethinking, when it comes to the president as well as democrats, since they do come into 2003, riding a wave, if you will, of success, the president winning with a very large margin, should he take advantage of this and p
, find a dennis hastert, that kind of thing. there is -- there is an uncertain feeling here. >> if it reaches critical mass. this is the house. you can't predict it. >> you can't. there is sort of this point where it could collapse in a second. >> of course, with sandy relief was that other piece that added discomfort. you saw them make up, but -- >> his base of support has been sort of the old bull, but don't forget the moderates. the moderates from the northeast, they're all in new jersey and new york and, you know, what's left of the moderate wing of the republican party. boy, if he suddenly lost that, then where is boehner? >> chris, we're seeing a very different feel up there on the house side. the senate is an interesting story demographically, but right now politically the real interest is on the house side and what's happening to the speaker as we speak. >> no question. i would say, you know, for political joounk junkies like the three of us, this is fascinating theater. it is symbolic. john boehner is going to be the speaker, even if it does go tie second ballot, bu
dropping the hastert rule, for example, which i think has been a real-- one of the leading causes of this gridlock that we have faced in congress. so all of these things, being able to make sure that we can come to agreementes and compromise in good faith >> what do you all-- texas say very, very republican state. but some people say the demographics are changing and the demographics alone will make that-- it won't be so republican next time around. >> in a couple of presidential cycles on election night you'll be announcing we're calling the 38 electoral votes of texas for the democratic nominee for president. it's changing. it's going to become a pup purple state and blue state, because of the demographices, because of the population growth of folks from outside of texas. and because,usly, the republican party has gone so far to the right that they're losing the business community. they're losing the middle. >> i think that's right. but it's not going to happen on its own. the demographics are changing but it's going to tack a lot of work from democrats to lay the infrastructure
leverage as long as he applies the hastert rule. >> the conventional wisdom is if you thought the fiscal cliff battle was bad, you are ain't something nothing yet. but is there a level of fatigue, of discontent that members are hearing from their constituents? could the infusion of new blood make a difference? do you see any way in which any of these big fights is any easier than the one we just saw? >> i'm not as optimistic about that. i don't know if governor rendell is really optimistic right now as well. i feel like we really missed a chance to do something with the fiscal cliff, where a lot of incentives were aligned. i think we have structural problems in the ability to handle these really big issues, the big fiscal issues of tax and spending. >> how do you have fix the structural problem? >> we need to find a way to force congress to do a really basic thing, to simply budget. the senate can't just walk off the budgeting field. we used to do this the old fashioned way where the house would pass a budget, the senate would pass a budget, they'd reconcile it and then you have a game p
anything like this -- >> denny hastert. go back to the bush era of republican leadership, if they wanted the votes, they found the votes. a lot of tea party republicans who have come in since then, they didn't like the way things were done back then. they didn't like the all-powerful speaker, because they thought that that led to big deficits and spending. >> if he lets this come up, as is, what the senate passed last night and doesn't have a majority of the majority, which was the denny hastert so-called rule, that would be significant. >> that would be significant. because he's then allowing democrats to put this across the finish line. the other thing, what are the spending cuts? nobody has seen the amendments to this bill, the supposed amendments that are these detailed spending cuts. it's kind of got lost in this whole process. if they are going to amend this bill with very specific spending cuts, up until now, no one's outlined them. >> don't they need 72 hours to let the members review? that was the rule they passed, but i guess they'll have to throw that away. >> this would clear
operated under the last several years under the so-called hastert rule where if they don't feel they have a majority of the majority, they generally don't bring bills to the floor. we're going to see if they make an exception for this fiscal cliff bill. as you've heard, some people already this morning, including my wife say there's enough goodies in this for republicans that it probably will pass with a lot of democratic support. you've got this hastert rule in effect, which may allow speaker boehner not to bring it to the floor at all. we shall see in the next couple of days. >> doug, i think you're the first washington correspondent we've had on this program who's quoted his wife. >> i learn everything from smart. >> we didn't realize your wife is susan ferrichio with the examiner. i looked up on wikipedia. i see not only are you married to her, you have four children and you occasionally play the banjo, bluegrass music at a local tavern. is that true? that i that is true. i gave it up because this pays better. >> the first time wikipedia has been accurate since 1971. >> it's the start
of capitol hill, john, a longtime republican strategist and former staffer to the house dennis hastert and worked for senators kennedy and senator reid. gentlemen, thanks for being with us. let's begin with the words of bob woodward this morning. for you and other staff to avoid the crisis next time try devotee and the job. he points out throughout the stalemate the staff use the messengers for backup but never in power to them to solve the problem. many ask this question could the staffers have done better? >> well you know as a former staffer, you always think that you know of a solution but as the members of congress and the senators that have to actually face elections, and it's a lot easier to go in the backroom without having to worry about constituents and solve these problems, and know a lot of these staffers and i know a lot of them would be mortified with what bob had to say. you don't want to get out ahead of your boss and they are the ones that put their names on the ballot. and they are the ones that faced scrutiny. so, you can't solve it without the principles. >> by yet
the house? >> i don't know. there used to be something called the hastert rule where nothing comes to the floor unless it has a majority of the republican conference. i'm presuming we'll have a long debate behind closed doors with republic republicans, everything i know about it, three strikes in my book and i'll vote no on this bill. >> congressman, thank you. we appreciate it best for the new year. >> you too, thank you so much. >>> other news going on this morning. top stories happening right now. civil rights activists known as the wilmington ten have been pard pardoned. nine african-american men and one woman were convicted of firebombing a grocery store in 1972. convicts were over turned in 1980. but now the governor saying that their convictions were tainted by naked racism. >>> ben affleck's story about how there was a reduce by the cia and canadian government to get hostages released. now a canadian who played a critical role in the real-life drama has died. >>> call it blackmon in the nfl. lovie smith, one of the seven coach who's got fired after the regular season. 10-6
gingrich and then nancy pelosi lost some of her members and jim trafficant voted for dennis hastert. it's really not a good way to start your career. >> you talk about how you weren't expecting retirement to look like this, congressman. let me point out this fun tweet from "the washington post." "steve la tourette unbound has been one of the fascinating subplots of the fiscal cliff fight." we've heard chuckle heads, sleep deprived octogenarians. now that you're off the job, anything else you would like to get off your chest? >> well, i think, listen, i wish the new congress well and they really have to come to a couple of conclusions. either are you going to work to get things done or make bumper stickers and feed red meat to the base on the right and the left. and i really wish these new folks well. and yesterday not a good sign that's going to happen. >> why do you say that? >> well, 12 people, either 9 or 12 didn't vote for the speaker. that vote is a no brainer. and that's whether or not your party will control the agenda in the house of representatives, and what these chuckle heads
all we can tell, that they're going to not enforce the so-called hastert rule where they are to have a majority of majority to get to the floor. speaker boehner is willing to bring this to the floor. it's also my understanding, speaking to some of my colleagues who had spoken to republicans, it's twice removed some republicans in the senate left and told republican leadership don't send us anything but what we sent you. so it looks like there will be a vote, my guess, sometime later today, at worst tomorrow morning. but i think we're going to get this done. >> and finally, you said he did much of the talking, typical biden style doing a lot of the talking there. did he get an earful from some of your colleagues or yourself, people who might be frustrated the white house compromised a little too much? >> he was still talking when i left. he had not opened the floor for questions. i'm sure there are a few members who are going to be upset. i know there are a number who felt that we gave far too much on the revenue side, that wanted to stick with that the original 250,000 threshold to i
and denny hastert will be on. send your comments to takes xm or go to tellxm at fox news and sound off and let everybody know how you feel. >> steve: it's been a staple for many, many years. got to get it back. >> brian: started with tony snow. >> steve: absolutely. tomorrow on the program, geraldo rivera and judge jeanine pirro, plus she's showing up again, i think. >> alisyn: it's a threat. i'll be back. >> steve: great. speaker john boehner will be the first to face a major test. we're watching that as we get rolling here. good morning, welcome to "america's newsroom." i'm bill hemmer, here in the new year. >> i'm heather chilled ders. where is martha? bill: she will be here next week. >> i'm filling in for martha. that comes for a rocky start from the speak. bill: do l delayed vote for victims of soup storm sandy punted to the next congress. that affected lawmakers in the affected area. >> to leave new york, new jersey, thousand of people in this area this holiday season on their own and abandoned was wrung and disgraceful in a lot of ways. to say to a regio
the hastert rule which means republicans won't bring republicans to the floor until they have a deal of republicans. and i was hoping they would kill it. i was hoping they would kill. and i was actually curous to see to see in progressives, ala, the t.a.r.p. vote would do that. nancy pelosi delivered the vote, one being yours. why did you vote for it? >> it was better than the alternative. the alternative was a massive spending that would have led to much higher unemployment. >> you're talking about the sequester? >> the sequester and the repeal of taxes at the same time. plus the sequester. plus, you would have had no -- extensions of unemployment would have gone away. the doc fix, that is say, medicare rates would have gone down by 20%. so a lot of people would not have been able to get taxes. it was better than the alt ti . alternative. i think we will look back on this as either a good thing or a bad thing in the next two months. >> let me ask you your questions before i get your thoughts on the deal. what i said up there was, it it seemed to me after we had gone off the cliff,
of the majority of the majority rule that often is imposed. >> bill: the hastert rule. >> senator, do you think people would be surprised if they realized how few up and down votes there are in the house and senate? >> especially in the last couple of years, lynn, it has been remarkable. set a new record for recent history. i think you have to go all the way back to the 40s so find a time when so little legislation was enacted. you're right. this has not been a very productive couple of years and hopefully that will change this time. >> bill: senator tom daschle is our guest. new book out published by our good friend, tom dunn from st. martin's press in new york. we have the same publisher and a good friend of ours. his new book is "the u.s. senate, how it works or how it doesn't work." i want to ask you senator i do agree with you that the senate particularly, which used to be kind of perceived i think, as a slower body where not much got done has accomplished more than the house was able to in the last few years. it was the senate that first passed the bill giving 98% of americans a tax cut r
want that job? he is just violated the, the hastert rule which, he represented the minority of the majority party in alignment with the president to get the president's bidding done. he's, is he a republican? he is certainly the speaker. it is a very confused time in washington, d.c. for the republican party in particular. lori: i wonder though if turning around the plan on the sandy aid package won him back any support? obviously ultimate low point was chris christie yesterday just blasting the republicans and how that was handle, boehner in particular. did that help him at all? am i just reaching for straws at this point? >> the answer is it doesn't matter what a governor of new jersey says to the speaker of the house because he didn't say it directly to the speaker of the house despite offering four times. he didn't make those statements until after there was a decision made to hold the vote later rather than, which will be tomorrow. you know, it amounts to nothing, a tempest in a tea cup. let's be honest. governor christie is a creature of great drama. he said the people
to break what is called the hastert rule, which is that to pass measures with majority democrats when they really need to be passed. i have no illusions every bill is going to go down that way. and then with the debt ceiling, same thing. i do think there's some evidence that republicans are saying, you know, in part for public image reasons but maybe in part because of good economic reasons, we can't keep whacking away at the economy like this to please our base we ha. >> it's not about the two parties necessarily shifting their philosophical positions or moving together but more of a practical decision by the house leadership to recognize the limits on what they can accomplish with the majority in the house and the limits in terms of the public support for their position. you know, one of the things, chuck, the president used the campaign to do was to try to lay out in front of the public the competing visions for approaches to economic growth and deficit reduction. he feels like he's been vindicated, and i think republicans in the votes that jared was just talking about str recogniz
has informally operated under the hastert rule. basically, house gopers similarly will -- simply will not bring up a bill that does not have the majority party in the favor. even if it could pass with a colegislation of some of the members -- coalition of some of the members. do you expect speaker boehner will bring the bill to the floor of the house for a vote at all, and is his speakership at risk? >> the answer to the second question about the speakership is, no. this is a legislative issue, not a relationship issue. to your first point, i think the statement is well written which is that we're going to take a look at it and bring it to the floor. we will consider it. now, whether or not we amend it and find something that can get more republican support remains to be seen. see what the house wants to pass with republican majority. but i take my hat off to the leadership of at least giving the senate bill a vote. it's something that the senate has not done for us in a long time. so i'm glad to see we're going to be taking it up again. the house does go to session at 12, we're
question on the raw polit politics. recent tradition, the hastert rule. the speaker wouldn't take something to the floor unless it had majority. this bill did not. a majority of house republicans voted against this bill. awfully perilous for a house speaker. you told us you didn't think speaker boehner was in jeopardy. has that position changed? is he in a worse position than he was yesterday? >> no, i think people appreciated the fact that he allowed the house to work is will and allowed members to vote. we're all elected by the 660,000 people in our district. overwhelmingly. people have said, all right, you are to get the spending under control. you are to put this nation back on the pathway to fiscal health. and that's why so many members of the house. democrats and republicans said the spending has to stop. some conservatives said we're grabbing that can. called deficit and debt reduction, and it is going to be a component of every single battle that we have. >> back to the can, congresswoman. let me jump in and ask you this. debt ceiling last week of february. sequester march 2 know. c
, the halls of state legislators and among leaders. energy, natural hastert, half the lands and wildlife. these are not democratic issues. they are not republican issues. here she is for everyone in every community. consider how americans think about these matters. some 80% of those are a great deal or fair amount about river, lake and reservoir pollution and water supply issues. 76% remain concerned a great deal about air pollution. even issues unrelated to human halls pulled very strongly. plant and animal extinctions generate concerns among 65% of americans. and let us ponder a few sober and health statistics this nation. in the 70s, 5% of kids who are overweight. today that number exceeds 33%. of those onset diabetes is now showing up in children. high blood pressure is affect the children. fewer than 10% of kids received daily physical education. even fewer outdoors. that's a bond is breaking between the young and the natural world. this is not okay. it is not okay for democrats. it is not okay for republicans. it is not okay for america. whatever the headlines in washington and the
and we've had in the last few months essential the hastert rule hasn't applied. if it passes tomorrow the boehner rule wouldn't not apply any more. there is a couple of things that guided the republicans in the last two years, or the last decade and that raises the flags for me. but i think it's not republicans that are looking for relevance. i think it's washington as a whole looking for relevance. we're running trillion dollar deficits. and for what would be the fifth straight year and the reality is s&p is downgraded us. they have sent the downgrade possibility sent notice. and we're still acting as if it's still 1995 or 2000 where we aren't running trillion dollar deficits. and but -- i hope it's not the case, but if in the meantime with all of these games as we move around the messaging and try to figure out resequencing and everything. if moon anies follows through the threat that america is not a credit rating -- worthy of aaa credit rating. that's the serious reality. you have the political reality and the economic real fip i hope it doesn't happen. i don't know how long quest
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